therapists in L.A. with a podcast
Out of Session w/ Kindman & Co. is a feelings-forward podcast where we leave our therapist selves at the door and have messy, real conversations about being human. We’re deconstructing the narrative of an expert through uplifting lived experiences and inviting free-flowing learning with community. Follow us on your favorite podcast platform!
We invite the imperfect, unfiltered, & rawness of humanity.
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Check out our Out of Session with Kindman & Co. podcast episodes using the Apple Podcasts player or use the links below to find and follow the podcast on Apple Music or Spotify. You can also see the individual episode list below.
out of session with kindman & co. podcast episodes
episode 15
Breaking Toxic Masculinity: Three Therapists Share Insights on Vulnerability & Emotional Healing
Three male therapists, Paul Kindman, Steve Wilson, & Liam DeGeorgio, deconstruct toxic masculinity by sharing personal stories of emotional suppression, exploring how societal norms limit men's emotional expression, and advocating for a more compassionate, vulnerable approach to masculine identity that embraces the full range of human emotions.
episode 14
the importance of play in adulthood: breaking free from the productivity trap
Kindman & Co. therapists, Jesse Romo and Dani Marrufo, discuss the challenges of maintaining playfulness in adulthood, exploring how societal pressures, productivity culture, and systemic barriers inhibit the natural, purposeless play that comes easily to children, while emphasizing the importance of reconnecting with spontaneous, joyful experiences.
episode 13
coping mechanisms for uncertain & chaotic times
Two therapists, Logan Kim & Steve Wilson, explore strategies for managing stress and anxiety during challenging social times, emphasizing community connection, self-care, and collective resilience while recognizing the valid emotional responses to systemic challenges.
episode 12
breaking the silence: politics, family, & radical authenticity—featuring demi rodriguez (part 2)
Therapist Dani Marrufo, in conversation with guest Demi Rodriguez, explore the complexities of navigating family politics during the holidays, sharing personal experiences about voting, setting boundaries, and maintaining emotional well-being while dealing with potentially difficult family dynamics and political conversations.
This is the second part of two episodes. Check out episode 8 for part one!
episode 11
is technology transforming—or undermining—mental health care? featuring dr. aaron balick
Therapists Anna Kim and Dr. Aaron Balick critically analyze online therapy platforms like BetterHelp, arguing that these services fundamentally misunderstand the complex, relational nature of therapy by prioritizing convenience over meaningful therapeutic engagement and personal growth.
episode 10
beyond the stigma: addiction recovery is a journey of radical empathy & community—featuring anthony bishop (part 2)
Therapist Jesse Romo, in conversation with guest, Anthony Bishop, explore the complex dynamics of addiction recovery, discussing personal responsibility, community connection, and the critical role of understanding systemic inequities in healing and transformation.
This is the second part of two episodes. Check out episode 9 for part one!
episode 9
beyond the stigma: addiction recovery is a journey of radical empathy & community—featuring anthony bishop
Therapist Jesse Romo, in conversation with guest, Anthony Bishop, explore addiction as a complex social phenomenon, emphasizing that recovery is fundamentally about human connection, community support, and addressing systemic inequities rather than just treating individual biochemistry.
This is the first part of two episodes. Check out episode 9 for part two!
episode 8
breaking the silence: politics, family, & radical authenticity—featuring demi rodriguez
Demi Rodriguez, together with therapist Dani Marrufo, shares her journey of understanding voting as a first-generation Latina, discussing her family's immigrant experience, overcoming fears about political participation, and the importance of cultural pride and community engagement in the electoral process.
This is the first part of two episodes. Check out episode 11 for part two!
episode 7
embodied healing after religious trauma—featuring Cait ference-saunders
Therapist Caitlin Harrison and Cait Ference-Saunders, of Move with Cait, explore embodiment, religious trauma, and healing through Trauma Centered Trauma Sensitive Yoga (TCTSY), discussing how individuals can reclaim agency and rebuild their relationship with their bodies after experiencing high-control religious environments.
episode 6
The Truth About Hot Girl Summer: Megan Thee Stallion, Authenticity & Cultural Appropriation
The podcast explores the origin of 'Hot Girl Summer' coined by Megan Thee Stallion, critically examining its cultural appropriation while playfully reinterpreting the concept through personal summer experiences that celebrate authenticity and joy.
episode 5
Fatherhood & Masculinity: A Conversation with José Vidrio on Modern Manhood
In this episode, Dani Marrufo talks with José Vidrio about how fatherhood shapes and redefines modern masculinity. Together, they explore the emotional, cultural, and personal shifts men experience while navigating identity and parenthood.
episode 4
Understanding LGBTQIA+ Identities: A Conversation with Queer Therapists
Join queer therapists Courtney Rago and Steve Wilson as they delve into the complexities of gender and sexuality in the LGBTQIA+ community. In this episode, they unpack common terminology, share personal experiences, and discuss the evolving nature of identity language, offering listeners a nuanced understanding of queer identities and the importance of inclusive communication.
episode 3
The Fear of Being Too Much: Navigating Identity and Societal Expectations
In this episode, therapist Caitlin Harrison delves into the pervasive feeling of being "too much" and how it often reflects societal shortcomings rather than personal flaws. She explores the impact of systemic pressures, cultural norms, and internalized shame on self-perception, offering insights into embracing authenticity and challenging the narratives that label individuals as excessive.
episode 2
Breaking the Silence: Discussing Privilege & the Importance of POC Voices
In this episode, Dani and Amanda delve into the complexities of privilege and the experiences of people of color (POC) in establishing a platform and taking up space. They share their personal journeys, discussing the challenges and significance of amplifying marginalized voices and the importance of creating spaces where POC can freely express their lived experiences.
episode 1
Founding Kindman & Co.: Our Journey to Inclusive Mental Health
In this episode, co-founders Kaitlin and Paul Kindman sit down with Care Coordinator Amanda to share the origins of Kindman & Co., a therapy practice rooted in social justice and relational approaches. They discuss the challenges and triumphs of building a practice that prioritizes inclusivity, community, and a commitment to mental health liberation.